Can They Make Fj Cruiser Again

gonetocarolina

What are your thoughts on the 2WD vs. 4WD FJ Cruiser?

Since I won't always take my soon to be purchased FJ off route, and I don't live in an area with mountains or snowfall, I was originally thinking of getting a 2WD FJ.

And so I discovered that only like 10% of the total produced are 2WD - and the few I could find lacked the options I wanted, and were loaded down with options I don't desire - and dealers were trying to marker up over MSRP.

So I was all set to go with a 4WD even though it adds a couple of g dollars for something I think I won't use.

And so I just got a telephone call from a dealer telling me he can get me what I want in the 2WD, with the options I desire, and with no markup over MSRP.

Looking ahead several years to when I re-sell the vehicle, do you think I volition exist hurting myself by opting for the 2WD because most everyone will want the 4WD?

woody

IMO, while you may non be an offroader, it'south quite likely the second possessor will be....kinda like the fourscore-serial is now, where the lockers are highly sought subsequently and but make upwardly a relative small amount of the market....

I doubtable you'll kicking yourself in a few years if you lot don't go 4wd....

besides, it IS a good excuse to use it for calorie-free exploration/offroad trips also

firetruck41

4wd volition likely make information technology easier to resell down the line, you won't get full value back merely it will sell for a little more. When y'all resell, information technology may make the difference between being listed in the classifieds for 2 weeks or 6 weeks.

FirstToy

Practice not become 2WD, you lot will always regret it. Every 2WD driver regrets information technology that I take ever met.
The difference a truck based suv has over a "automobile" is low-range, ground clearance and iv cycle bulldoze.
If you don't have 4x4, information technology'due south very close to becoming a actually heavy automobile w/ none of the benefits. It'due south like living w/ all the disadvantages of a total frame rig westward/o enjoying the benefits. JMHO

currier1

I will be i of those people looking to buy your rig when you are done with it...if it doesn't take 4WD, I'll go onto the next one in the classifieds.

Years ago when I bought my outset pickup, I got a 2WD and regretted information technology almost immediately. Had to await until I paid the loan off to move upwardly to 4WD...several pickups later on, I must admit, I don't use the 4WD often, merely when I do, it comes in handy.

Definately go the 4WD...who knows, you may terminate up really feeling the urge ane solar day to yank the wheel onto a done out old route for a fleck of a putt.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup

If you're non going to use the 4WD, then don't get information technology. It's an added expense that you're not going to recoup when you go to sell the vehicle.

Maybe the 4x4 option will bring you a few hundred bucks more when you go to sell information technology, and maybe it will sell faster ... simply those are 'maybe' situations that rarely happen anywhere but on the cyberspace in forums like this ane.

Do you really want to spend $1,600 on something you'll never utilize? If y'all finance it, that number tin can change to upwards of $3,200...Exercise you have $three,200 only lying effectually that yous're willing to throw in the fireplace and burn?

If there's no real legitimate reason to get the 4x4 - and I don't mean hypothetical 'maybe' scenarios similar 'you lot'll regret it later' even though it appears that up until now you lot've gotten forth fine without a vehicle with a transfer case - then in that location'due south no to spend the money.

Besides...SOMEONE out there is probably looking for the 4x4 model considering they need information technology!

Cruiserdrew

I accept to disagree. At that place is no reason to buy this vehicle without 4 wheel bulldoze. You would exist better off (in every mode) with a car. For example-Toyota Camry would be cheaper, faster, go better mileage and be safer to boot. If you won't fifty-fifty hypothetically become off pavement or in snow why would you pay the constant drain of poor fuel mileage in a large and heavy vehicle?

At resale, the 2WD volition have minimal value, the 4WD will at least have some. Recall most the example of older Toyota minitrucks. You tin can't requite away a 2wd and the 4wd is in high demand for a nice example.

firetruck41

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

Peradventure the 4x4 choice volition bring you a few hundred bucks more when yous become to sell it, and maybe it will sell faster ... just those are 'maybe' situations that rarely happen anywhere but on the internet in forums like this one.

Definitely not a hypothetical/possibly situation where I live, it is actually something to consider, if information technology doesn't matter to you, and then so exist information technology, but it is something to keep in mind.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup

I accept to disagree. There is no reason to purchase this vehicle without four wheel bulldoze. Yous would be better off (in every way) with a machine. For instance-Toyota Camry would be cheaper, faster, get meliorate mileage and exist safer to boot. If you won't even hypothetically become off pavement or in snow why would you pay the abiding drain of poor fuel mileage in a big and heavy vehicle?

I'm not sure you actually have to disagree every bit you desire to disagree.

To extend the 'cruiser' example you used: at that place's no reason to buy a PT Cruiser when a Dodge Neon is the aforementioned thing; the Neon is cheaper, faster, gets better gas mileage and is probably safer as well.

Only information technology all comes downwardly to style; both the FJ and the PT aren't about econobox cookie cutter anonymous freeway trawling. They're a statement of individuality.

Just because a Camry gets better mileage doesn't mean the buyer wants information technology. Just because the Camry is faster doesn't mean the buyer wants it. Merely because the Camry is cheaper doesn't mean the heir-apparent wants information technology.

It's like the statement I first made nigh your disagreement with me; the buyer purchases the FJ Cruiser because they have to have ane. Information technology'southward an emotional purchase rather than a practical one in many cases.

At resale, the 2WD will have minimal value, the 4WD will at least have some. Think virtually the instance of older Toyota minitrucks. Y'all can't give away a 2wd and the 4wd is in high demand for a nice example.

That's not truthful; Toyotas agree their value very well. Looking at the instance of Toyota minitrucks, the divergence in value between a 2WD and a 4WD is sometimes not even an issue. In fact, I run into far more 2WD pickups than I see 4WD ones on the road.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

Maybe the 4x4 selection will bring you a few hundred bucks more when you lot become to sell it, and perhaps information technology volition sell faster ... just those are 'perchance' situations that rarely happen anywhere but on the internet in forums like this 1.

Definitely not a hypothetical/maybe situation where I alive, it is actually something to consider, if it doesn't matter to you, then so exist it, but it is something to go on in heed.

Really, it is a hypothetical/possibly situation regardless of where you live. Just considering you have 4WD doesn't mean your rig is going to sell faster, or that you're going to get more coin for having it. Buyers buy what buyers purchase ... they're not ever looking for exactly what you're selling, and they will rarely put anywhere nigh the value on your rig that you volition. They don't have the emotional investment.

In Then Cal, where I alive, I run into terrific deals on 4WD - sometimes they sell for LESS than their 2WD counterparts. Sometimes they don't.

Just the argument isn't about where you live or what sells, it'south about the value you get for your dollar. If gonetocarolina were to spend $ane,600 dollars for something that would never be used, it would be a consummate waste of money. Pure and uncomplicated, cease of story.

If you don't need 4WD, then you shouldn't buy it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't buy an FJ Cruiser. Toyota makes them with 2WD for a reason, and for a specific heir-apparent.

If, on the other hand, yous do have $1,600 that you're just going to waste matter ... transport it to me instead, and I'll put it to practiced utilize; I can be King Of The Nudie Bar for 32 dances.

FirstToy

FJCruiserOwnersGroup,

I have heard your statement before many times. I am serious when I say the same people end up getting a 4x4 later when they regret getting the 2wd.

Toyota pickup trucks are not the aforementioned matter. Toy pu's are extremely popular (2wd) b/c they are indestructable work trucks. The 4wd trucks are very rare on the used market and bring top dollar, and are coveted much more than the 2wd- but both are highly coveted. It has to practice with the function.

The function of a SUV is offroad capability in a wagon. That is the only function that makes a heavy, fully boxed ladder frame, solid rear axle vehicle worth information technology's due. Long travel IFS, soft swaybars and traction control are not for the mall parking lot. Toyota didn't put it in for that.

If y'all desire 2WD; and how most people employ the SUV as Style and Not as Office. If you speak of value for a 2wd wagon, the FJC is non information technology. Yous can go far more with motorcar based ones.
A auto-based wagon tin practise the chore better, why go the 2wd FJ? For looks? Trendy lasts for a couple years, that'south all. The fully boxed frame takes up valuable grocery space.

Sorry but this is just fundamentals- the price of admission into a existent suv is 4wd & depression range.

If you practice own a 2wd and are happy, that is great. But advise on what to purchase new? Don't cut the legs off Seabuscuit before y'all tin see what she can do on all 4's.

firetruck41

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

That's not true; Toyotas agree their value very well. Looking at the instance of Toyota minitrucks, the difference in value between a 2WD and a 4WD is sometimes not fifty-fifty an issue. In fact, I see far more 2WD pickups than I see 4WD ones on the road.

Of course Toyota's agree their value very well, that's i of the things I dearest about them. I run into far more 4wd Toyota Pickups than I run across 2wd ones on the road

Actually, it is a hypothetical/maybe situation regardless of where y'all alive.

Semantics

Just because y'all take 4WD doesn't mean your rig is going to sell faster, or that you're going to get more than money for having it. Buyers buy what buyers buy ... they're not ever looking for exactly what you're selling, and they volition rarely put anywhere almost the value on your rig that you will. They don't accept the emotional investment.
In And so Cal, where I live, I see terrific deals on 4WD - sometimes they sell for LESS than their 2WD counterparts. Sometimes they don't.

Of course, you must really think we are idiots to have to "explain" that

Some vehicles have more/less miles, some accept more/less maintenance, some accept been in accidents while others oasis't, one vehicle may sell on the first day on the market, another might never have a buyer...

I will just say that based on my experience, in the PNW, you lot are probable to observe information technology easier to sell a 4wd version suv when compared to a like condition 2wd version of the aforementioned suv, you are also likely to sell a 4wd version for more than money than a 2wd.

But the statement isn't about where you live or what sells, it's nigh the value you become for your dollar. If gonetocarolina were to spend $1,600 dollars for something that would never exist used, it would be a consummate waste of coin. Pure and simple, end of story.

Unless Gonetocarolina finds value in the potential flexibilty a 4wd platform gives him and in the likely ability to more easily sell his vehicle later.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup

FJCruiserOwnersGroup,
I have heard your argument earlier many times. I am serious when I say the same people end up getting a 4x4 afterward when they regret getting the 2wd.

And then y'all'll understand when I say that I'm equally serious that the argument yous're making is totally irrelevant; we're not talking about hypothesized future behavioural possibilities among buyers, we're talking nigh bodily purchased value. Information technology has null at all to do with buyer's remorse or what a buyer may or may not purchase later. It's all near the right tool for the right job.

Toyota pickup trucks are not the same thing. Toy pu's are extremely pop (2wd) b/c they are indestructable piece of work trucks. The 4wd trucks are very rare on the used market place and bring top dollar, and are coveted much more than than the 2wd- but both are highly coveted. It has to exercise with the office.

Then ... did I put the poison in your loving cup, which is closer to yous...or in my cup which is closer to me? In either instance, the only things I am certain about in reference to your in a higher place quote is that it's stupid to start a land war in Asia, and you never argue with a sicilian when death is on the line.

Any statement you lot're shooting for ... well, it'due south kind of not very well idea out; there are enough of Toyota pickup trucks for auction in the immediate expanse - both 4x4 and 2WD and they're all priced about the same.

The part of a SUV is offroad capability in a wagon. That is the just role that makes a heavy, fully boxed ladder frame, solid rear beam vehicle worth it'due south due. Long travel IFS, soft swaybars and traction control are not for the mall parking lot. Toyota didn't put it in for that.

Well, that's certainly a definition.

Not necessarily the one that most people - or manufacturers - use to define what an SUV is, nonetheless. The term SUV is naught more than a palatable way of proverb 'your dad'southward stationwagon.' SUVs are Vista Cruisers. They're State Squires. They're Estate Wagons.

The function of an SUV is 'to acquit more stuff.' It has zero at all to exercise with off-road capability. If it did, then cars like the Subaru WRX and the Volkswagen Vanagon Syncro and even the VW Bug would be contenders as feasible SUVs. Merely they're not, and that's because they can't 'conduct more stuff.'

A 427 Cobra can be had with a fully boxed ladder frame and live rear beam. That doesn't mean that it'south an SUV, and it certainly doesn't hateful that it's non 'worth it'southward due.'

The issue is I see developing from your post is that y'all're not arguing the right points, and yous're attempting to pigeonhole something where it doesn't vest. I'm non maxim that to kickoff an argument, I'm saying that considering I would rather argue with someone who knows what they're talking about and who is talking about the same thing instead of someone who says that someone should purchase a 4WD FJC because old pickup trucks sell for more than. I'thou not saying this to piss you off, I'1000 say it because what you're writing just doesn't make any sense.

If y'all desire 2WD; and how most people use the SUV as STYLE and NOT equally Part. If you speak of value for a 2wd wagon, the FJC is not it. Yous can become far more with automobile based ones.

Umm. I'1000 not sure what you lot mean past that. The value of the FJC is in information technology's beingness an FJC.

A automobile-based wagon can do the job improve, why go the 2wd FJ? For looks? Trendy lasts for a couple years, that'southward all. The fully boxed frame takes up valuable grocery space.

Well, that's not necessarily so. And I mean the whole quote, not merely the foreign flake about the frame taking up valuable grocery space (for futurity reference, the frame is located nether the car, not in the passenger motel).

Sorry merely this is only fundamentals- the price of admission into a real suv is 4wd & low range.

Err...again, non to go along correcting you, just the definition of 4WD is pretty much having a low range. AWD is the absence of depression range (Honda's idea of what 4WD is notwithstanding).

Your price of access is wrong. There are many SUVs out at that place that practice not have 4WD or even AWD. They're still defined every bit SUVs.

If yous practice ain a 2wd and are happy, that is great. But propose on what to buy new? Don't cutting the legs off Seabuscuit earlier you can meet what she can practise on all 4'due south.

To extend your somewhat odd comparison: why would you buy a racehorse when all you lot need is a donkey? That's similar buying a parking structure because you demand a parking infinite.

While I practise hateful this sincerely and respectfully, I actually believe that you're not on the same folio, and you're not arguing the right topic. No criminal offense intended.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup

FJCruiserOwnersGroup[/b]]That'southward not true; Toyotas agree their value very well. Looking at the example of Toyota minitrucks, the difference in value between a 2WD and a 4WD is sometimes not even an consequence. In fact, I run across far more than 2WD pickups than I see 4WD ones on the route.

Of course Toyota's hold their value very well, that's one of the things I honey about them. I see far more than 4wd Toyota Pickups than I see 2wd ones on the road

I'thou not sure where you're going with that, but okay.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup[/b]] Really, information technology is a hypothetical/possibly situation regardless of where you alive.

Semantics

You could dismiss it as semantics if it was a deviation in language, but it'southward not; it'south the divergence between reality and imagination. The reality is that gonetocarolina specifically said:

"...Since I won't always take my soon to be purchased FJ off road, and I don't live in an surface area with mountains or snowfall..."

That, pretty much, finishes the argument. Your projection of how someone else should or should not, will or will not, can or cannot utilise their truck - not your truck - is irrelevant. Information technology's now just a matter of cost: exercise you pay for something you volition never use. The correct answer is 'no.'

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

Just considering you lot have 4WD doesn't mean your rig is going to sell faster, or that you're going to go more money for having information technology. Buyers buy what buyers buy ... they're not e'er looking for exactly what you're selling, and they will rarely put anywhere near the value on your rig that you volition. They don't have the emotional investment.
In So Cal, where I live, I see terrific deals on 4WD - sometimes they sell for LESS than their 2WD counterparts. Sometimes they don't.

Of course, y'all must really think we are idiots to have to "explicate" that Some vehicles take more/less miles, some accept more/less maintenance, some accept been in accidents while others haven't, ane vehicle may sell on the commencement twenty-four hour period on the market, another might never have a buyer...

No. Absolutely not. Having to explain something to someone doesn't at all brand me call back that person is an idiot. It has always been my contention that a person's actions volition define their intelligence. Especially on the cyberspace. It was Mark Twain (another freemason) who said "It is better to keep your oral fissure shut and appear stupid than to open up it and remove all doubt."

I will but say that based on my experience, in the PNW, you are probable to find it easier to sell a 4wd version suv when compared to a like status 2wd version of the same suv, you are also likely to sell a 4wd version for more money than a 2wd.

You may be absolutely 100% correct in saying that, and I would certainly not disagree with that at all. Of course, that begs a couple of questions:

1. Where does "gonetocarolina' live? From the minimal number of posts, information technology appears that this member was shopping in the Atlanta, GA.

2. How shut to the Pacific Northwest, exactly, is Georgia? My geography is a little rusty, but I'1000 willing to bet that Georgia is about as far from the Pacific Northwest in both location and climate equally you can go far the continental U.s.a.. I'yard just sayin'...

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

Just the statement isn't about where you live or what sells, information technology's about the value yous get for your dollar. If gonetocarolina were to spend $1,600 dollars for something that would never exist used, it would be a complete waste of money. Pure and simple, finish of story.

Unless Gonetocarolina finds value in the potential flexibilty a 4wd platform gives him and in the probable ability to more easily sell his vehicle later.

Why pay for potential that volition never get used? Y'all're casting your aspirations on someone else'southward rig, and - once more - it's not semantics, information technology's reality vs (your) imagination.

The hereafter isn't written past you or I, and - merely as I'm certain the sunday will come up upward tomorrow - I'm equally certain that, as the auto salesmen all say, 'there'southward an ass for every seat.' You do not know what options will sell someone else'southward machine in another section of the country that is nowhere near where you live.

In the cease, however, we both know that this is totally academic. Or at least I practice; I did the research. In instance you didn't know, gonetocarolina already bought.

FirstToy

OMG, the Shotts/Thai of the 2wd FJC world has arrived.

saskdiesel

Why would anyone purchase something like this in 2wd course?
Why did Toyota even offer information technology in 2wd?

Isn't this an off-route forum?

jjbodean1970

in due south alabama where i just moved from, a 2wd was ever preferred over 4wd. in fact, depending on the vehicle, about dealers will appraise a 4wd as a 2wd, there is no added value, as customers will come up in and Not desire a 4wd most of the time. i had customers that would non purchase a 4wd even for the same cost as a 2wd for reasons like: more things to break, insurance more, less gas mileage, etc

it basically depends on your location every bit to what the resale situation will exist.

FJCruiserOwnersGroup

Why would anyone buy something similar this in 2wd course?

Because they don't demand the 4WD.

Why did Toyota fifty-fifty offer it in 2wd?

Considering they figure x% of the people will purchase them that way.

Isn't this an off-road forum?

Information technology looks like it's the tech forum for the FJ Cruiser.

Just then you know that Hell truly has frozen over, at that place is an option when ordering the new 2007 Jeep Wrangler for 2WD. The last bastion of the uncivilized now comes with a Mall Rated package including power windows and door locks.

Personally, I think that civilization is overrated.

firetruck41

FJCruiserOwnersGroup said:

I'm not sure where yous're going with that, simply okay.
Yous could dismiss information technology every bit semantics if it was a divergence in language, merely information technology's not; it's the difference between reality and imagination.

Aforementioned place you were going in the postal service I originally quoted, no where.

That, pretty much, finishes the statement. Your projection of how someone else should or should not, will or will not, can or cannot use their truck - not your truck - is irrelevant. It'due south at present simply a thing of price: do you pay for something y'all volition never use. The right answer is 'no.'

You are wrong in your assumptions, gonetocarolina didn't ask which one price less, I retrieve it is pretty obvious which is cheaper without you pointing it out.

No. Admittedly non. Having to explain something to someone doesn't at all make me think that person is an idiot. Information technology has e'er been my contention that a person's actions volition define their intelligence. Especially on the net. It was Marking Twain (some other freemason) who said "It is improve to proceed your mouth close and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

If you feel that way maybe you should go along your mouth shut.

You may exist absolutely 100% correct in saying that, and I would certainly non disagree with that at all. Of grade, that begs a couple of questions:
1. Where does "gonetocarolina' live? From the minimal number of posts, it appears that this fellow member was shopping in the Atlanta, GA.

I don't know where gonetocarolina lives and don't particularly care, this may be a subject which interests more than than one person in more one locale, which is why I indicated in every post that my experience relates to the area where I alive.

2. How close to the Pacific Northwest, exactly, is Georgia? My geography is a trivial rusty, but I'thousand willing to bet that Georgia is near every bit far from the Pacific Northwest in both location and climate as you can get in the continental U.s.a.. I'g merely sayin'...

I don't need a geography lesson to tell you the PNW is just a little farther from Georgia than where you are, there in Claremont, CA.

Just because something is true in one area of the country does non automatically mean it is not truthful in some other area. I'thou just sayin'...

Why pay for potential that will never get used?

That's the question he asked, and I've already given an respond to it, twice.

You're casting your aspirations on someone else's rig, and - again - it'south not semantics, it'due south reality vs (your) imagination.

I'm guessing he asked a question considering he wanted some opinions, if you think differently then you would have kept your opinions to yourself.

The futurity isn't written past yous or I, and - just as I'chiliad certain the sun volition come up tomorrow- I'm every bit certain that, as the car salesmen all say, 'in that location'south an ass for every seat.'

Swell now we are using quotes from car salesman! Tin can't call up the last time I belived a chat I had with one of them.

You do not know what options volition sell someone else'southward motorcar in some other department of the state that is nowhere virtually where you live.

But you do? And y'all are the only one capable of doing so

. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

In the end, nonetheless, we both know that this is totally academic. Or at least I do; I did the research. In case you didn't know, gonetocarolina already bought.

Yup, thank goodness he didn't mind to yous.

Hey why don't you lot get hang out on THIS forum instead. You can talk to yourself all day if you want, it's pretty apparent you like to hear yourself talk (figuratively, this is the internet you know).

bulldog-yota

Is this even a serious argument most a 2WD FJC?? :grinpimp:

At this point it is difficult to say where the FJC market volition go. WIll information technology jsut exist a retro fad and cute like the Mini Cooper, PT Cruiser, Beetle, etc? Or will it actaully stand on it'due south own in 2 years time? Nobody really knows currently.

Bottom line if y'all don't programme on wheeling it, don't buy an FJC, what's the signal? Looking absurd and live with a vehicle not optimized for on road perfromance?

Since you knwo the FJC then well you should knwo all the changes they made to improve the FJC offroad, only are actually non good for on road performance or condolement.

woooody

The reality is that

one -- The FJC was built to give the heir-apparent a retro wait at an FJ40.

2 -- Toyota congenital it to be a capable off route vehicle.

iii -- If Toyota thinks that merely 10% of its buyers volition want 2wd, then but 10% of the resale buyers will want 2wd. That means, when it's time to sell, 90% of the people looking at the FJC will expect 4wd.

4 -- The cost divergence is so minimal ($2000) -- why would you Not buy 4wd? It's non like a Suburban, where there is a 4000 charge for 4wd, and a substantial increase in insurance premiums. There is no significant departure on the FJC premium between 2wd and 4wd.

Neal Wores1973

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